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Jeremy Reimer

After not having the time or energy to work on this thing for the longest time, I finally got back at it. Today I did the model for the Gratha fighter, one of my favorite Kilrathi fighters of all time. Yesterday I completely redid the Dralthi model, so it looks WAY better than before:

Old model:

You'll see in the new shot it's much more smooth and accurate around the big semi-circle wings. Also you can see my wingman, flying a Hornet, attacking one of the Gratha.

(you'll notice I'm now running at 1024x768, thanks to some generous guy on ars (may have been zathras2) who donated his copy of the full version of FS2 with the high resolution additions... looks much better)

I've modelled most of the first mission, with four waypoints, an asteroid field, and the same enemies as in the first mission of Wing 1 (2 Dralthi, then 3 Salthi)

In total I've modelled the Salthi, Dralthi, Gratha, Hornet, and the Tiger's Claw itself.

YES I KNOW THE TEXTURES LOOK HORRIBLE. They are PLACEHOLDERS. I want to get the modelling all done before I start doing proper texturing.

For some reason, I'm having a total blast doing this. I've even created an Excel spreadsheet to keep track of my progress. I'm pretty pumped about it now!
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Riso · Commodore Joined: 28 Feb 2001 Posts: 3234

Boy those textures are shit.
You better do new ones.

Wink

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AllYorBaseRBelong2Us · Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2003 7:57 am Post subject:

what a congenial thing to say

Cheesy smile

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Jeremy Reimer · Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2003 1:06 pm Post subject:

Riso: Ha ha. Razz

Here are some more shots:

Right now I'm trying to get the background music in.
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Jeremy Reimer · Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2003 4:30 pm Post subject:

BUMP...

Just got the first of the music in place!

There's the default music when you're cruising through space, the battle music, and the little victory sting... right now the victory sting only comes when you've defeated ALL the enemies, not each one, but I should be able to fix that.

It's AMAZING flying around shooting Dralthi and Salthi and hearing that music... makes the whole thing seem like a real project...

I'm having fun.
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Jeremy Reimer · Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2003 12:39 am Post subject:

More screenies!

Here's a shot of a Krant with the Tiger's Claw in the background:

Here's my revised Salthi tailgating a Dralthi:

I just have to do the Jalthi and I'll have done all the Kilrathi fighters!

Come on, isn't anyone else excited??
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Riso · Commodore Joined: 28 Feb 2001 Posts: 3234

I'm so excited I feel like warezing Wing Commander 3!
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Jeremy Reimer · Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2003 2:16 pm Post subject:

Riso, you crack me up.

Anyway I'm still at it, going a mile a minute. Here's the feared Jalthi, with its six guns!

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Jeremy Reimer · Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2003 2:07 pm Post subject:

Bumpage. I've done the Rapier, Scimitar and Raptor, which means I've finished all the Confed and Kilrathi fighters.

Here's the Raptor:

Here's a Scimitar just about to crash into a Jalthi (collision detection does work!)

Now I'm going to make some of the larger cap ships, like the Drayman, and the Exeter, the Ralari and the Fralthi.
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-- Carl Sagan

"Its not a rule. Its just something I noticed. Several of us have more than one sig." - Mord

Jeremy Reimer · Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2003 11:38 pm Post subject:

UPDATE:

I've done models for the Venture corvette, the Exeter destroyer and the Drayman class transports, thus completing ALL the Confed capital ships.

Here's a neat shot with a Venture, a Drayman and the Claw, with a Scimitar and a Dralthi duking it out in the background:

Here's a closeup of the Exeter. All the ships are modelled exactly as they appear in the Wing 1 manual (Claw Marks)... in other words, the Claw is exactly 700m long, the Exeter is 360m long, etc. Probably nobody will ever care about that except for me, but...

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The Eleven · Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 2:10 pm Post subject:

HOLY SHIT, JR!!! I haven't checked this thread since you started it...so this is my first time seeing this stuff. Very cool...very cool indeed!!
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longmarch · Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 5:39 pm Post subject:

Jeremy Reimer · Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 10:56 pm Post subject:

OscarWilde · Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 11:45 pm Post subject:

Yes, very cool indeed. What people don't realize is that 3D modeling is a lot harder then it looks. I learnt 3D studio Max a long time ago and am even certified for it, not that it really matters anymore I guess. I know a few more 3D apps for both macs and PC's, but I eventually got tired of the arts, so kinda just walked away from it. I don't know what tools you're using Jeremy and how easy they are, but props anyway. 3D modeling takes time and patience, so this game is obviously a passion of yours.

Good stuff.
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Jeremy Reimer · Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2003 10:06 am Post subject:

Thanks OW. I'm using 3D Studio Max to do the modelling as that's what I'm most comfortable with, then I save the files as .DXF (which is the only format I found that didn't introduce wacky conversion problems) and then import them into Truespace for re-sizing and texturing. Only Truespace files can be converted to Freespace2 .POF files using the freeware COB2FS2 converter. Truespace has an interface described by one tutorial author as being designed by "monkeys hopped up on space crack" and that isn't too far from the truth, but it's actually pretty good for texturing. It sucks ass for modelling though.

Making models for importing into games is trickier than just modelling for animation, because you have all sorts of limitations-- mostly poly limits, like the 850 triangle limit for ships (not including subsystems like turrets, etc) but also geometry limitations-- there can be no "holes" in the mesh and no non-flat surfaces. I kind of like working with limitations though... it reminds me of playing with Lego as a kid and working around the limits of that toy's geometry...
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-- Carl Sagan

"Its not a rule. Its just something I noticed. Several of us have more than one sig." - Mord

Zathras · Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2003 3:05 am Post subject:

Since FS2 Open is coming along maybe they'll have waypoints for you soon enough?

http://fs2source.warpcore.org/exes/
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AllYorBaseRBelong2Us · Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2003 6:19 am Post subject:

Zathras:

It appears you've been absent.

FOR SHAME! Smile

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This and other statistics can be culled from Jeremy Reimer's Personal Computer Market Share: 1975-2002, a very impressive piece of information gathering. The numbers tell some very interesting stories.
- http://lowendmac.com/musings/03/0131.html

Man, I need to get out more. You know smam is getting to you when you go to a canadian restaurant and start wondering about moose cock. -OscarWilde Smile

Torturing a dog or a cat for sport is not disgusting because animals have rights, it is repugnant because human beings have obligations. If animals look to us as gods, and we in turn torture them, have we not willingly made ourselves into devils? -Johan Goldberg http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2003852165_goldberg27.html

You are a strange creature, Jeremy. *

Thundar · Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2003 9:34 am Post subject:

OMG TEH LINKBOTX0R SI ON OSY!! Wink

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gevatter Lars · Midshipman Joined: 07 Jul 2003 Posts: 4

Well well another Freespace 2 Wing Commander Mod.
What do you think about joining us? We from the Wing Commander Saga always need modeler an other people to finish our mod.
If you haven't seen it try this WingCommander Saga
or visit our Forum
Mostly German Forum, but you can also speak english there

Here some older Screenshots

Now you may think that are all WC 2,3,4 Screenshots, what does this have to do with me?
Well we are trying to redo ALL WC games, mainly WC3+4 but also the others. So you are welcome to work with us so we both have a bigger database.

Riso · Commodore Joined: 28 Feb 2001 Posts: 3234

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"[...] we view customers as complete morons that will never catch on and [...] we're lying to them all the time."
- Gabe Newell

gevatter Lars · Midshipman Joined: 07 Jul 2003 Posts: 4

@ Riso...what do you mean with that, or who are you talking to?
Seams you are talking like Yoda or a Vorlon...

Well my last work...its not for the mod, but for an Wing Commander Story bases RPG....it needs textures now, but I thought its so good looking that I have to show it ^__^

Evil Merlin · Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2003 6:06 am Post subject:

That is one fucking BIG boat.

Zathras · Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2003 6:45 am Post subject:

Hey Jeremy, looks like you got noticed by one of the WCSaga guys!

Hey gevatter Lars, since you work with the WCSaga crew, tell me, how are you implementing WC-style waypoints with the FS2 engine?
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gevatter Lars · Midshipman Joined: 07 Jul 2003 Posts: 4

OscarWilde · Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2003 8:25 am Post subject:

Very impressive models there. Wow! Nice work.
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